Crisis policy as exceptional through the Ukraine has an amazing result: an unrestrained freedom of speech. What was you there a few more days is told in a playful tone. Hanna Herman, a member of the Rada, is one of the most famous figures of the Party of Regions, the formation of the deposed president, Viktor Yanukovych. It was especially the last ten years, one of his closest collaborators.
After his election in February 2010, Hanna Herman became deputy chief of the presidential administration, before being relegated to a mere advisor, passed by the circle of Donetsk, friendly and safe, formed around the president. In a long interview with Le Monde, carried in the Rada, Tuesday, February 25, Hanna Herman gives his personal experience of power , without s’ exempt from liability.For years, she conveyed the word of a regime pockmarked by corruption, reached extreme violence to preserve .
How judge you the first steps of the opposition in power ?
Hanna Herman: They move away from the law, the law. We did the same thing.Early as in 2010, we said: we must all do very quickly reform in ignoring the law. It can not be put in parentheses to say that there will one day, if it is claimed build a democracy. 100 days of President Yanukovych, I was dismissed as deputy head of the administration.
It was then that began the process of concentration of power in the same hands.Apart from members of the presidential aircraft, U.S. advisors are busy, to beginby Paul Manafort (renowned American lobbyist, having worked with George W. Bush). He attended cabinet meetings on Monday, where they discussed the concentration of power (endorsed by a constitutional coup in autumn 2010). Paul Manafort was there until beating students on Maidan on 30 November. He gave rather sage advice. Yanukovych was not often agree, but Manafort followed his decisions.
How did you lose your influence with the president?
The President listened especially his son Oleksandr (now four years a must oligarch). I had a good relationship with him. But when someone does not like to Oleksandr, it became very difficult for him. I no longer had any influence, I think, because of Sergei Lavochkin (head of government), who listened to my suggestions but never acted accordingly.
I decided to go to Parliament. Nobody stopped me. I worked for ten years with Yanukovych. A heavy atmosphere, cloud, has always existed around him.Sometimes I managed to weigh , such as leaving prison in Lviv woman Andryi Paroubyi (Commander volunteers Maidan), imprisoned for no reason.
When Tymoshenko was jailed two years ago, I went on television to say that although I’d hit my hands one who suggested this decision to the President. It has haunted me in justice to have threatened to strangle the Attorney General. That’s when my problems really began. Of so-called paper appeared, accusing me ofhaving collaborated with the KGB in the 1970s. The problem is that they had copied my signature of a married woman, while I had another girl. I went to see the president, who told me: “Hey, you write sacred things about you” I said, “But our constituents Donetsk, this is very much the KGB!” He laugh.
We do not understand, in these conditions, especially when the crisis around Maidan, you do not have just resigned noisily …
When students were beaten (November 30), I wanted to go immediately to the President. Lavochkin told me he was unable to join . I sent him a text message.Silence. I called his officer safety, who said: I do not have contact. I ended uphaving the president to 19 hours and I told him: “You must condemn these acts and promise that they will be investigated. ” Nothing came. But I knew that if I, too, was leaving, nobody tell the truth to the president. Around him, people repeated that everything was fine.
We understand even less the unprecedented opportunism elected your training, the Party of Regions, which issued a statement making Yanukovych responsible for all ills.
I said to our group. “For years, you are applauded, you have the opportunity toenrich , you have not said anything to the President, and now you accuse him of everything? “I do not deny my responsibility. I could do more, I cut hand, m ‘sacrifice . Once with Lavochkin was told the president that he was mistaken. He replied: “But who are you to me give orders? ”
Until the last moment, when we lost the power , his family did not understand what was happening. Andrei Klouiev (Secretary of the National Security Council andDefense ) and Sergei Arbuzov (First Deputy Prime Minister) would be struggling Prime Minister. I wrote notes on notes, when there was a risk of emergency, it was essential to avoid . One night he told me: “I have no need of such a life” I said she did not really belong to him as president.
Who bears responsibility for police killings Maidan on the week of February 17th?
It is too simple to say that everything is the fault of the president. I think a third force weighed in what happened. I have no proof, but a precise idea (she refuses tomention Moscow). But his indecision sentenced. Yanukovych refused European integration, but also to go to Putin. He thought he could locate neither one side nor the other.
I do not think he could decide and direct killing people on Maidan. Every time we were on the right track with him, the phone rang, it was then out . When we came back, he was different. Snipers, I do not know where they came from. The Berkut (riot police, dissolved Wednesday by the Ministry of the Interior), they are poor unfortunate guy. Everyone falls on them. I saw them for weeks at the headquarters of the presidential administration, half-starved, sleeping on the floor, wet clothes. I opened up my office, so they can call their mothers. Also hated everything that was happening. I hurt for them because they were defending bastards with their lives. Ten of them died, they also have the right to remember .
But Viktor Yanukovych bears a huge responsibility in the death of 82 civilians.
Do not make him a devil. His son Oleksandr exerted a strong influence.Yanukovych abandoned their mother and had a feeling of guilt for them. His personality was very friendly aspects with complex deep. It started child.Yanukovych became an orphan, his father remarried, the second wife was much abused, he was taken in by his grandmother. He found himself in the street, in the middle of bandits. He was in prison, first as a miner for about a year, and then as an adult, for stories brawl. He always had a subsequent aspiration to become rich and to take his revenge.
But you still have accompanied this ex-offender for ten years.
During this period, I had the illusion that he became another man. When I arrived, he had a lot of power and money, but was chaotic in his thoughts and ways.Passed by the prison people should not go to power , whatever the reasons.Prison break a man. In saying this, I also think of Yulia Tymoshenko.
Whole problem of Yanukovych and Yulia is that they could not forgive each other all past events between them. I remember an incredible scene at the premises of our party in 2005. I tell one day in a book. We were in the opposition, President Yushchenko came from the fire of the prime minister. I went out into a hallway, and I felt a sweet fragrance, Angel. It was one of Yulia. I followed the scent to the secretariat of Yanukovych. The secretary put his finger on his mouth, indicating the office. I waited. One hour, two hours, five hours! Then I saw Yulia, magnificent in his blue suit, as descended from heaven. “Yulia Vladimirovna, what fun you see ! “This is a good actress, but she was displeased with me see . They had discussed the possibility of creating a coalition deal with Yushchenko in the Rada. I then entered the office of Yanukovych. It is always tough to feminine charm. “So you like it?” It’s like awake and told me: “She is so infamous that if I had to kiss , I could not do it! ”
Do you consider that there is a nationalist threat in Ukraine?
Pravyi Sektor (grouping of the most radical organizations Maidan) is all that Moscow hopes. They burn houses, they beat up people. Everything you need for the people of the east say: “My God, how will we live ? in this country ”
When it all started three months ago, the house of my parents in Lviv (nationalist stronghold west) was burned. My mother had died a few months earlier. During the war, the Germans had come, without burning the house. In 1945, the Soviets had taken my father’s sister, aged 16, who was already in the UPA ( army Ukrainian Insurgent). She was deported to Siberia, Vorkuta, for ten years. But they did not burn the house. There, they burned. Yesterday, a senior member, independent, came to me to see . He said that against a sum of money, he would ask Paroubyi (Commander volunteers Maidan) to save my home in Kiev. I saw Paroubyi, who denied everything. But intermediaries already appear, saying they can settleproblems.
Maidan but is primarily a civic movement, a coalition of citizens …
All is not as easy as you think. There were a lot of very good people on Maidan. I immediately told the television. For three months I stayed three friends who went there. I can give their names and contact information. I drove the same way to work. But I told them I know what politics does to people. You will see how you will use. There was also a lot of bandits on the Maidan, and the money paid by the oligarchs. They argued the fall of this power because all concentrated in the same hands. The son Oleksandr directed everything.
The end of Yanukovych would be due …
The system was such that everyone wanted an end. The interests of ordinary people, from Moscow oligarchs coincided. It was impossible to overcome . When he fled Friday, he called me Kharkiv me thank for everything. He told me he would go to the next congress of regional and local elected city. “Do not go there, it is a separatist meeting”, ‘I said. There is not gone. On Saturday morning, I talked to him again, prompting him to sign all laws passed by the Rada. But his statement that day was totally different, denouncing the “Nazis” and “fascists”. I have not had any contact since. There are only Klouiev with him.
I will tell you nothing. I had a clear idea when I talked to him. I know he never has a computer or laptop near him. I knew the approximate time required to print the notes I sent him, the speed of bodyguards car to bring . I think it is out of Kharkiv. I called his son, his wife. I did not want it to go away in shame, but lose with dignity, to have a chance for revenge. I have not succeeded. I will never be able the help . It will likely be arrested if he is alive. If he dies, it will be his salvation to shame. His killers take their sins on them.
The whole article is a translation with help of Google translator. Original french link is here.